Warzone WARZONE-HACKER HAVE TO BE STOPPED!

[Damien Martin]

What is the point of creating a good game, when you don't have a good anti-cheat system in place.

Seriously! This is a great game but you guys let hackers roam freely. Warzone is really the best BR game I have played so far.

Banning hackers will not be enough. Letting them hack the game and banning them later is ridiculous.

You guys need to get your $hit together and create a better anti-cheat system, making sure hackers are banned the moment they enter the game. Not after 10 matches.

 

[Huntnwabits]

What is the point of creating a good game, when you don't have a good anti-cheat system in place.

Seriously! This is a great game but you guys let hackers roam freely. Warzone is really the best BR game I have played so far.

Banning hackers will not be enough. Letting them hack the game and banning them later is ridiculous.

You guys need to get your $hit together and create a better anti-cheat system, making sure hackers are banned the moment they enter the game. Not after 10 matches.

well considering , when one hack gets caught, They just make another one, Until it gets caught. its a revolving door in PC land, welcome to playing on pc.... You will always have them pussies that THINK there good. If I could use a dam analog and liked consoles I would have never switched.

 

[ProjectMyhm4130]

Cheating will never be eradicated on pc. It's too easy for the cheaters to figure a workaround once they're caught.
The best we can hope for is an option where console players can play cross-platform minus the wrist-flickers.

 

[CMCFLYYY]

Cheating will never be eradicated on pc. It's too easy for the cheaters to figure a workaround once they're caught.
The best we can hope for is an option where console players can play cross-platform minus the wrist-flickers.

The easiest way to do it is to start charging for the game. I for one am happy they have cross play because I actually get to play with my brother now who only has an Xbox while I ditched mine 5 years ago. What I don't get is why they think it needs to be free? Other than maybe it's a numbers game for them - a free game will bring in a higher population to spend money in their store?

Maybe have separate lobbies for paid players? I would gladly donate $25 or more to this game if it helps the devs fix some issues faster, add more content, and at least quarantine cheaters abusing the free-to-play mechanic.

Other than that... Add a replay system that gives you the option of reporting. First off this gets rid of all the false reporting - it's easy to mistakenly report someone because they had momentary good aim or recoil control on you. But if you can follow that guy's entire game to see how he got his other 30 kills and you notice he had that same impeccable aim and recoil control all game PLUS he was sprinting around the map not checking corners and heading right toward squads like he has a maphack? Easy clip and report.

Get a bigger team of reviewers and allow people to send in clips from replays. Tighten up the midgame stat bans of possible. Should be easy to determine by number of shots and headshot percentage if someone is aimbotting after a handful of kills - no need to wait 5 matches and 300 kills to determine that. Also I'm not an expert on it but at some point they need to go beyond simple account banning and ban IPs or hardware. I know they can spoof those, but at least make it more work for them, or make it cost then something to do so. Any monetary speedbumps to hacking, including having to pay $25 or $50 for each account is going to slow them down.

 

[ProjectMyhm4130]

@CMCFLYYY yeah a lot of good points there man.
I think the fact that it's free just puts it on par with other battle royale games like Apex Legends, Fagnite and Pubg (battlepass).
It makes sense I think, I'll happily spend money on the battlepass and items in the store if the game is free and I enjoy playing it.

 

[CMCFLYYY]

@CMCFLYYY yeah a lot of good points there man.
I think the fact that it's free just puts it on par with other battle royale games like Apex Legends, Fagnite and Pubg (battlepass).
It makes sense I think, I'll happily spend money on the battlepass and items in the store if the game is free and I enjoy playing it.

Sure but if the game cost you $50 and all the store items were free instead, that $50 would disincentivize hackers by making them pay $50 every time they're caught, and you would still be "paying" for the store items just by buying the game.

 

[Huntnwabits]

Sure but if the game cost you $50 and all the store items were free instead, that $50 would disincentivize hackers by making them pay $50 every time they're caught, and you would still be "paying" for the store items just by buying the game.

People still hack in multiplayer, hackers dont give a dam, If they did they wouldnt hack. They will just go by another account, another hack do it again for awhile. then it gets caught, they banned, we start all over, hackers can give a flying shit if they get banned.

 

[CMCFLYYY]

People still hack in multiplayer, hackers dont give a dam, If they did they wouldnt hack. They will just go by another account, another hack do it again for awhile. then it gets caught, they banned, we start all over, hackers can give a flying shit if they get banned.

Sure, a lot of them will do that. But at $50 a pop every few weeks is going to deter some from doing that indefinitely. You're never going to eliminate hacking, the point is to deter portions of them to minimize the numbers the best you can. You can't argue that charging $50 for the game would have ZERO effect on the hacking population.

 

[Carlos]

Sure, a lot of them will do that. But at $50 a pop every few weeks is going to deter some from doing that indefinitely. You're never going to eliminate hacking, the point is to deter portions of them to minimize the numbers the best you can. You can't argue that charging $50 for the game would have ZERO effect on the hacking population.

Tell that to the hackers back in the CoD4/MW2 days... (Pffft... lol)

 

[Wiseowl]

I’m on the PS4 and l know there have been hackers there too and in multiplayer. If one hacker buys game all they have to do is create another psn for the same console, get banned, create another. So they won’t be buying the game again.

Maybe use photo ID and proof of address. If hacker uses fake photo it can’t be used as the real person is using it. Once people know who the hacker is they get fined.

A bit much but l think it’s worth it not to have these pathetic people ruining our fun anymore!

Also then the amount of money they would make through the fines, can all obviously go to making the game better.

 

[kiteman]

Cheating will never be eradicated on pc. It's too easy for the cheaters to figure a workaround once they're caught.
The best we can hope for is an option where console players can play cross-platform minus the wrist-flickers.

I for one am 36 and started playing PC first person in college with the original Counter Strike. I owned a N64 but never went back to console again. I am very good at PC, and I have never cheated. There shouldn't be a negative overall attitude towards PC players because some people cheat. In some regards, we could say the same about the overall ability to have an aim assist. I'm not comparing this guy to a console player with aim assist, I'm suggesting to the non cheating PC gamer, an aim assist is still a cheat in comparison.

So, my thoughts are, console players need to get over it. Remember, the non cheating PC players have to play with exactly the same cheaters you do, as well. It's not like because we are on PC we can filter out the non cheaters - it's all mostly still a level playing field if you aren't a cheater, regardless of platform you're on.

 

[Carlos]

I for one am 36 and started playing PC first person in college with the original Counter Strike. I owned a N64 but never went back to console again. I am very good at PC, and I have never cheated. There shouldn't be a negative overall attitude towards PC players because some people cheat. In some regards, we could say the same about the overall ability to have an aim assist. I'm not comparing this guy to a console player with aim assist, I'm suggesting to the non cheating PC gamer, an aim assist is still a cheat in comparison.

So, my thoughts are, console players need to get over it. Remember, the non cheating PC players have to play with exactly the same cheaters you do, as well. It's not like because we are on PC we can filter out the non cheaters - it's all mostly still a level playing field if you aren't a cheater, regardless of platform you're on.

I would 100% be behind this comment and thought process if the cheating wasn't widespread from PC players. Most PC players are proving why cross play wasn't a thing before. Many developers are afraid to develop for PC, because of this widespread cheating.

 

[kiteman]

I would 100% be behind this comment and thought process if the cheating wasn't widespread from PC players. Most PC players are proving why cross play wasn't a thing before. Many developers are afraid to develop for PC, because of this widespread cheating.

Thanks, though a point I was trying to make is that I've been playing with cheaters for 20 years, but I still prefer and continue to play computer multiplayer games. So it's a little annoying so many PS4 and XBOX players are complain so much about cheaters after spending 2 months playing with them in this game. Maybe some have spent longer with them in other cross-platform games, but the point still is I have significant tenure in time spent with cheaters, and I don't let it get to me anymore, really.

Also, some people on PC are actually good enough to make you think they cheat, when they don't. I can be getting shot at and turn a complete 180 and kill you before you blink. That's not something you can really do on a console, and therefore to many untrained eyes, that will look like a cheater move when it isn't. So I do think many people think there are more cheaters out there than there really are.

 

[init6]

@kiteman you make a valid point. However, until developers spend the time developing anticheat software for their own titles and can provide proof how small the % of cheaters there really are this will be a constant argument for many, many games to come.

I have used programs to hack data streams and cheat at a game years back. I didnt use the program to violate rules like warping or gaining attack advantages and such, but to help ease the pain and monotony of leveling and maxing my character. Granted, it was still cheating, but... the ending to that story is it was on a pc. Never on a console.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

 

[ProjectMyhm4130]

@kiteman
I get your point, but the fact that you have been willingly playing with cheaters for 20 years doesn't mean we have to. The main reason for me playing on console is that it is a far more even playing field compared to PC, where "assistance" and sheer spending power can give you an insane advantage over your competition.
I dont want to play with PC players because they are an unknown variable, they might be a decent fella like you, or they might be an absolute sweat who has spent thousands on a gaming setup that makes the performance of the game we are playing completely different, or it could be a hacker who can shoot me through walls, lock onto me instantly with aimbot or have every players position marked out for them throughout the whole game.
Thanks but no thanks.

 

[CMCFLYYY]

I would 100% be behind this comment and thought process if the cheating wasn't widespread from PC players. Most PC players are proving why cross play wasn't a thing before. Many developers are afraid to develop for PC, because of this widespread cheating.

Cross play is a thing because console-only devs are lazy and don't want to spend time on a proper anti-cheat. Also making the game F2P was a dumb decision - look how cheating spiked in CS Go once that was made F2P. You can argue that having to rebuy the game won't stop all hacking, but if players have to spend $20 or $50 or $60 every few weeks when they get caught, that is going to be a barrier for most players. Most players aren't going to consider cheating worth it when it suddenly costs them $100-200 a month to play. The number of hackers who have "deep pockets" are not the same as the number of total hackers. Making the game "more expensive" will stop a good portion of them.

I've also listed other methods, that CS Go and PUBG use. There needs to be a replay system so I can go watch the full match from my opponent's point of view and see if the sketch kill he made on me was just a lucky shot or if he's been aimbotting with ESP the whole map. Give players a place to send clips of outright cheating. Update players in game when reports they've submitted turn into bans. Shut down IPs and use hardware/MAC address bans for confirmed cheaters. Again I realize some hackers will be skillful enough to evade these, but again the point is to make it as expensive and time consuming as possible for hackers to get back online. Anything you can do to help lower the pool of cheaters that will consider it "worth it" to hack.

Instead what you get is a dev who thinks because their game has 60m players and only 0.1% hack that it's immaterial and not worth their time to really worry about. The chances of any player seeing a true aimbotting hacker are few and far between. They'd rather keep the game F2P to pump up their numbers so they can keep tweeting about how many they have, and so they can keep selling gun skins and outfits etc at the in game store.

It's about money. For every 1 of "you" who has been disenfranchised by a cheater, they have 15 Leeroys with 0.51 KDs buying crap from their store. They don't care about "you". That's the problem.

 

[kiteman]

@kiteman
I get your point, but the fact that you have been willingly playing with cheaters for 20 years doesn't mean we have to. The main reason for me playing on console is that it is a far more even playing field compared to PC, where "assistance" and sheer spending power can give you an insane advantage over your competition.
I dont want to play with PC players because they are an unknown variable, they might be a decent fella like you, or they might be an absolute sweat who has spent thousands on a gaming setup that makes the performance of the game we are playing completely different, or it could be a hacker who can shoot me through walls, lock onto me instantly with aimbot or have every players position marked out for them throughout the whole game.
Thanks but no thanks.

I would say for a non cheater, the only advantage a PC player really has over most console players is a mouse. Someone really good with a mouse is better than someone really good with a controller. But the reason why this is a moot point is because you can still play with a mouse on Xbox. So really, it's not a level playing field anymore if you consider that. If more console players learned to play with a mouse, eventually all the controller console players are going to start complaining about the mouse and keyboard console players just like they complain about PC players...

My whole point in all of this is that it's silly to complain about PC players in general. Cheaters I agree suck, but as I said no matter what platform you play on you're going against the same amount of cheaters as everyone else.

 

[Huntnwabits]

I would say for a non cheater, the only advantage a PC player really has over most console players is a mouse. Someone really good with a mouse is better than someone really good with a controller. But the reason why this is a moot point is because you can still play with a mouse on Xbox. So really, it's not a level playing field anymore if you consider that. If more console players learned to play with a mouse, eventually all the controller console players are going to start complaining about the mouse and keyboard console players just like they complain about PC players...

My whole point in all of this is that it's silly to complain about PC players in general. Cheaters I agree suck, but as I said no matter what platform you play on you're going against the same amount of cheaters as everyone else.

Us pc players may have M/K but you guys have aim assist , Don't tell me it don't help either. I have had buddies come over and play right next to me on my pc and i see when they say it does help. I can feel it myself when i try there controller out aiming at some one firing. even in the settings it has 2-3 different option of what control assist you want.......

 

[ProjectMyhm4130]

@Huntnwabits
M&K definitely gives an advantage. A good m&k player will out shoot a similarly skilled console player, simply because the hardware is capable of faster and more precise movement, I didn't even think that was debatable.
Aim assist is an attempt to even it out but I dont think it succeeds, and tbh I cant stand the aim assist in this game, the slow down is inconsistent and while I'm sure most will get used to it, I think I've played too much pubg for it to feel natural.
And that doesn't even take into account the general performance boost you can get with a pc or the near infinite control remapping.

And as far as people using m&k on console - I can only say that I play with a few dozen people on a regular basis, all on console and not one uses m&k.

 

[kiteman]

@Huntnwabits
M&K definitely gives an advantage. A good m&k player will out shoot a similarly skilled console player, simply because the hardware is capable of faster and more precise movement, I didn't even think that was debatable.
Aim assist is an attempt to even it out but I dont think it succeeds, and tbh I cant stand the aim assist in this game, the slow down is inconsistent and while I'm sure most will get used to it, I think I've played too much pubg for it to feel natural.
And that doesn't even take into account the general performance boost you can get with a pc or the near infinite control remapping.

And as far as people using m&k on console - I can only say that I play with a few dozen people on a regular basis, all on console and not one uses m&k.

You more or less confirmed my point - I wasn't saying console players DO use M&K much, but if they took the time to learn it, they would be a lot better than controller players. So, making the argument you don't like to play with PC players because console players are a level playing field would completely go out the window if many of those console started learning how to play M&K and got good at it. And like complaining about PC players, I guarantee 100% that console controller players would start complaining about M&K players.

BTW the reason console players do not use M&K is because the learning curve is very steep. As I mentioned early on I've been doing it more or less 20 years so it comes naturally to me (and many others).